I own a steel 155 Kalita and a ceramic 01 Hario. I find is surprising because the Kalita 103 (Melitta #4 size) are my favourite filters ever. We also offer /r/cafe as our more casual & fun sister community. Point V60. Bought an aeropress and a hario grinder last saturday, they are absolutely amazing! I don’t know for sure, but I think it has to do with contact time. The Kalita is easy, and before we got our Baratza Encore, I was still making pretty good coffee with a sub-par grinder. I ⦠The Hario V60 opts for a cone-shaped paper while the Kalita wave uses the cupcake style brew papers. A coarser grind means larger particles. The key to ⦠Firstly, changing the grind does not change the pressure pushing the water though. I prefer plastic as it is easier to throw around and manipulate for things like Rao spin. I would look into a ceramic or copper Hario after improving these two things. Rendered by PID 3161 on r2-app-0fbde1057098e44e6 at 2020-12-23 01:29:48.478399+00:00 running 6abf2be country code: US. However, the plastic v60 is like $10 at most. The white filters are best. Typically an even coarse grind is more difficult to achieve. An inconsistent coarse grind could further increase the difference. In defense of the V60 we have a ⦠If you're doing a 2.5min brew, use enough water so that at 2.5min all the grounds are still under water. If I were to purchase the v60 (plastic is best according to scott rao), would I notice a big enough difference? In short, be nice, respect this community and its members, don't try to sell or promote stuff, and be aware comments and submissions are both curated content within this space. what about chemex? The V60 tends to taste muddy and bitter past around 20%, while the Wave is OK up to 21%, maybe even 22%. Hario V60 was first introduced in its native Japan, but it didnât get popular in the West until around 2010. If you like your coffee to have that typical “coffee” taste (rich, slightly chocolatey) but also like hints of the fruit notes then the Wave would be good. Changing the grind doesn't change the pressure inside the filter but it adds to the resistance of leaving the filter. Our "self-promotion" rules. Any of these things, be it the v60, Kalita, Cilio, my beloved Melitta aren't sophisticated coffee making contraptions. The 02 produces a larger, standard cup size. Hario V60. The wave often does not have the precision to really dial in like the v60, but there’s less room for error. The Hario V60 and the Melitta. I found that even if I brewed a cup I liked with the V60, the next cup would very easily be much different if I did something slightly different and it’s what made me go back to using my Wave daily. This pressure can be varied by the level to which the cone is filled and resistance from the fineness of the grind. Try it for yourself and see what you think! I think a lot of that consistency is based on their dripper design. [–]13_songs 6 points7 points8 points 2 years ago (1 child), [–]anothertimelord 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (0 children), I follow Scott Rao's method pretty much to a T, [–]MattKosem 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago (0 children), [–]RogueWaveCoffeeRogue Wave Coffee 13 points14 points15 points 2 years ago (2 children). [–]Zephyp 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children). How it Works: The V60's become wildly popular among cafes and it's no secret that Hario's line of coffee products is sexy and versatile. right? #sweetblossom Ethiopia Shakisso⦠What is your favorite thing to eat with your coffee? These are two of the best pour over devices available. right? is it the same as v60? They're still good but need more rinsing to get the paper taste out. We use the wave when we want to highlight the juiciness of the cup (like jammy, or syrupy). We asked Gail to whip up batches of Velton's Twilight Blend in a Kalita Wave, Hario V60 and Chemex, then we taste to see how they compare. And the Kalita's a nice-looking little gadget, no argument there. Kalita Wave 155 vs Hario V60 01 I have been brewing with these two devices and Iâm new to pour over in general, my current coffee is a Ethiopian that has tasting notes mentioning orange and lemon. Not portable. I love the v60 because you have that kind of control. What's Unique: Perfect cone shape with vortex-like ridges on the inside, gigantic center hole. This changes things more than youâd think. With the V60, the water (even if poured slower because it still flows through at a basically fixed rate depending on grind size) is in contact for less time before flowing through. The flat-bottomed brewer ensures the all water thatâs poured over it, one way or another, interacts with the coffee grinds. Since your brew time is basically fixed, you'll make small adjustments to the grind to get it dialed in (basically the same as espresso). There are two filter types: the 185 and the 155. Must be a well known company. The Kalita Waveis quickly becoming one of the most popular pour over coffee makers out there. Hario V60 Plastic Coffee Dripper 01. amazon $ 7.00. All the ⦠Compare: Kalita vs Chemex vs Hario. The 01 size is be more portable, just remember to match up your filter size! In the Hario v60 vs Chemex debate, you have to decide which coffee pour over kit is best for you and your needs. In the Wave, given a fixed amount of water, the brew time is determined by the pressure that forces water through the holes. Kalita Wave. Iâve had a glass Kalita Wave 185 since Megan got me one for Christmas. They're very thin but totally adequate. With its stainless steel and wavy contours, the Kalita Wave wins over coffee and design enthusiasts alike. The next day you’re water is at a slightly different temperature, your grind is slightly different, you pour differently, or some other factor. Let’s say you brew a coffee and are amazed. Control over brew time means potential to screw up the brew time; fill the cone a little too full while pouring and you've got an under-extraction problem. Honestly, I got a V60 after brewing on a Wave for months and didn’t notice a huge difference. submitted 2 years ago by ghost_dodoKalita Wave. Kalita Wave, $24 / Kalita Wave 185 filters, $9 If you want a good cup of coffee but donât want the sophistication the V60 might carry, then the Kalita Wave is the right one for you. The Wave seems to have the advantage there. If you're using an EK43, I imagine you could extract even more than I do. Weâll go through each one after the other, for each brew equipment. Detailed descriptions. I use both and both vary in both challenges with one not easier or better. [–]cartoptauntaun 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (1 child). For non-informative or non-depthy-discussion "coffee culture" posts, please check out /r/cafe. One, that the water flows out the sides without passing through the grounds in the middle. Let’s say you rate your coffee solely on how well you brewed, 1-100: A v60 is more specific, for better or worse. The day I've been waiting for is here: Dad wants to go halves on all new coffee beans I buy. Kalita Wave Vs Hario v60 Vs Chemex. created & curated by /r/coffee community - & it's maintenance thread. )The V60 is shaped like an upside down cone with the tip cut off, leaving a relatively large hole at the bottom. Stainless Steel 791g $149.00 Hario V60 Buono 1000-1200ml Stove-top or Electric Stainless Steel 364-405g $51.00 Hario Copper Buono 900ml Stove-top Copper w/ Nickel Interior 448g $118.00 Hario Bona 800ml Stove-top Enameled Steel 722g $63.50 Kalita Thin Spout 700mL Stove-top Stainless Steel 342g $77.95 Kalita ⦠While they both make great coffee, certain claims have been made about which facilitates a more even extraction (even extraction doesn't always mean better. SCG Crew Favorite Gear Pour Over Coffee Makers. When can I stop blaming my technique and start blaming the beans? My friend went through the blue bottle pour-over training and I got to benefit from their practice... it seems like they use an oddly specific process to me, but the result is foolproof. It is proportional to h2. Second, the Kalitaâs glass version is quite thinâmuch thinner than the Hario V60âs glass versionâbut weâve used one for several years in our test kitchen without breaking it. Heat-wise I think the ceramic v60 is a bit better for brewing but that's a minor issue. The 185 filters go with the larger 185 dripper. The Kalita is more consistent which is why they use it in shop. at the end if you let all the water run through. I also found that the Kalita ⦠Any good coffee documentaries currently streaming? $9.95. SEE ALSO: Hario v60 â The History and Brewing Guide. It’s way more forgiving of subtle differences. The original Kalita dripper was a copy of Melitta. The original Kalita dripper was a copy of Melitta. A look @ two range server holders. If you're underextracting, the V60 tends to produce a better result since it will offer up some caramel notes, but if you're extracting at 20-21%, which is my ideal, then the Wave produces a sweeter, richer, more intense cup. But first, let's take a look at the experiment I ran: Hario V60 vs Kalita Wave: The Pros and Cons. [Gear] - For equipment related posts. That is fixed by gravity alone. The ribs on the inside of the V60 mean that water will pass through the filter at any point below the surface of the water. Don't pour the water around the sides. [–]ilyasabdut 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children). You kind find bleached and unbleached papers for both machines as per your preference. - no photo only posts. Way more consistent. The Hario V60 VS Kalita Wave. This is a place to talk about the farms, the beans, the baristas, the roasters, the industry, the brewing gear & techniques. The coffee grinds seem to react more to the cone shape, [–]rajivpsf 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (0 children). Accessories. However, Kalita has been manufacturing dripper since 1959. Currently I have only made coffee two ways, french press, and chemex. You’d find more cups coming consistently in the 83-87 range rather than some in 70s and some in the 90s. Even the company names and logos of those two look alike. Kalitaâs concept is in between permeation and immersion. Because the holes are so small, you'll need to fill the cone to near the top and use a fairly coarse grind(relative to V60). [–]thelifeofjono 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (0 children), I find the Kalita Wave’s flat bottom to be more forgiving while the Hario V60 has a smaller margin of error. My home grinder does very poorly at coarse settings and it's quite noticeable. I go back and forth. These lay out our our expectations for participants, but also the values and rationales behind them. and join one of thousands of communities. Thanks for adding the tldr. How much coffee do you usually brew with each? Over-extraction of grounds at the tip of the cone only happens when water is only in contact with those grounds i.e. I meant to make a few quick points then realized after I posted that it was close to 700 words. The Hario V60 is a classic, with a plastic dripper and glass coffee server. The broad base of the Kalita means it's ⦠Kalita I had all solid cups after a couple bags of coffee. I could see the circular grooves pulling the water through grounds more efficiently... although again that’s lost at the tip where your throughput is metered. Bonavita 1L Electric Gooseneck Variable Temperature Kettle. The V60 produced a more full-flavoured cup and accentuated the acidity and sweetness in the cup (especially with Encore grind sizes 9 and 11). V60 highlights fruity/acid flavors better for me. Since the surface area of a cone increases exponentially with height, this affords a great deal of control over the brew time including the potential for a very fast brew. SCG Crew Favorite Gear Pour Over Coffee Makers. The 02 produces a larger, standard cup size. The Hario V60 and the Melitta. Even my relatively thick porcelain filters are hot both on the inside and outside after just wetting the paper filter. Yup. Hario vs Kalita vs Chemex vs ? Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_growth. You may also be interested in the following product(s) Kalita Wave Coffee Filters - White. The Hario V60 also comes in two sizes (01 and 02) along with many finishes to suit your style plastic, glass, ceramic and metal. Like why the V60 gives more clarity? Do we know what causes that difference in taste profile between the two? And the Kalita's a nice-looking little gadget, no argument there. But V60's greatest strength is also it's greatest weakness. Edit: Just saw that you said you drink light-medium roasts, those are what I prefer too. Even the company names and logos of those two look alike. Price, coffee quality, coffeemaker quality, durability, brew speed, versatility, appearance, ease of use, and cleaning ease. [–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 2 years ago (0 children). You may also be interested in the following product(s) Kalita Wave ⦠Of course I did. Still, it is a bargain when you consider the fact that coffee makers that brew ⦠In comparison to the Hario Buono Kettle, the Kalita Wave Pot Kettle raises the bar on temperature stability and pour control. TLDR: both the Kalita and the Hario have strong points, but the Hario's better. I'm just not convinced I could reliably distinguish between coffee brewed with a Kalita Wave, a Hario V60, and a $3 plastic Melitta "Ready Set Joe" pour over, assuming all other factors were kept constant. This is a great choice for a beginner, or perfect for a busy morning when you need a good coffee without worrying too much to kick start your day. Extraction Method. This day you’re not as impressed and give the brew a 75. Then, take your cup or carafe out from under the V60 and let the remaining water run into something else. You might be able to replicate your smooth high extraction results by lengthening the brew time on the v60. [–]the_letharg1c 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (1 child). With the wave, the water flows through the coffee much slower and so is in contact with the coffee longer before going through. If you adjust the variables properly between them I'd guess the taste difference is pretty subtle and depends mostly on the properties of the paper filters. Accessories. I drink medium to light roasts and use a 1:15 ratio, [–]wjmonty96 45 points46 points47 points 2 years ago (7 children). It's way better for making only a cup or two. The Hario V60 opts for a cone-shaped paper while the Kalita wave uses the cupcake style brew papers. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. Donât be too excited yet because, when it comes to flexibility, V60 is the best. Check the Links below. © 2020 reddit inc. All rights reserved. [Question] - For questions about anything coffee related. Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy. 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